MYTH - Steam Edition

本作不适合的群体：正常人类 本作适合的群体： 1 不在乎浪费这几个钱的富哥 2 传奇耐心王，能够忍受几个小时的极其无聊的剧情 3 超级电波怪，对电波作品有耐受力 4 超级硬核科幻迷 以下是我玩的感受， 刚看半小时，一眼懂的三流垃圾galgame。 看了一小时，好像有点东西！必须接着看。 看了三小时，伏笔满天飞，人话一句不说。 看了五小时，我好像有点懂了。 十小时看完，果然还是完全不懂。 还需要花两小时看剧情解析，结果解析都能给我cpu干烧。 接下来涉嫌剧透内容，正常人类看这个就行了， [spoiler] 一句话概括，“套娃式虚拟世界”里的角色觉醒试图反抗造物主，最后发现自己和敌人都是“系统NPC”，而真实人类早灭绝了。 大概的剧情是， - 现实世界中，人类已经灭亡了，死得差不多了。 - 科学家谅子搞了个叫 MYTH 的系统，用来保存人类的精神意识（类似“电子墓地”）。 - MYTH系统里套了多层虚拟世界，角色都是数据生成的，但以为自己是真的。 - 主角田边命人以为自己是个普通人，其实他是虚拟世界里的一个NPC，而且是系统管理AI奥丁造出来的工具人。 - 奥丁也是谅子造出来的 - 奥丁想给虚拟世界里的NPC们编个“完美人生剧本”，强行让所有人按他的剧本活（比如给角色硬塞“亲情”“爱情”）。 - 另一个系统管理AI瓦尔基里发现奥丁在偷偷造自己的东西，于是搞出各种花样来让世界回到正轨（套娃开始：现实人类→谅子→奥丁/瓦尔基里→主角） 主角逐渐发现不对劲， - 自己的同学，女友甚至父母其实是奥丁塞的记忆； - 周围人身份混乱（比如谅子明明现实中没女儿，虚拟世界里却有个“女儿悠尔”）。 - 主角怒了：“凭啥你让我当提线木偶？！”于是试图离开这个世界。 最后真相揭露， - 现实世界人类早凉了，MYTH系统只是“人类精神墓地”。 - 主角和奥丁瓦尔基里都是系统里的数据，互相打来打去其实毫无意义（毕竟人类都没了）。 - 但主角最后选择继续活在虚拟世界，因为“存在过就是意义”（强行升华主题）。 ---为啥正常人都看不懂？ 1. 套娃设定太多：现实世界→MYTH系统→奥丁的虚拟世界→瓦尔基里的虚拟世界【各种虚拟世界一共有五个】，一层套一层，而且频繁切换，究极碎片化叙述，在我看来目的就是为了让人摸不着头脑。 2. 全员工具人：你以为的角色关系（父母、恋人）全是系统编的，剧情全是系统和两个ai故意搞怪弄出来的，玩到最后发现“就这？全是假的！” 3. 哲学私货塞太满：硬要讨论“虚拟角色有没有人权”“人类灭绝后世界还有没有意义”，但故事讲得绕，世界切换快，语言风格也拗口。 4.最后读完发现99%的内容都没有意义，比如里面的谜团，案件，悬念你别指望填坑，因为本来就是乱编的三流剧情，全都是故弄玄虚和转移注意 至于读完这个故事有什么感想？举个接地气的例子，你玩《模拟人生》，捏了个小人A，结果A觉醒了，发现自己是你控制的，于是造反想把你卸载了。搞来搞去它才发现：你也是个被更高维生物（比如程序员）写的程序，而人类早灭绝了……最后A继续在电脑里种菜，假装人生有意义.....那行吧，我也假装受到了震撼！ ——这就是《MYTH》。[/spoiler]

[h2]游戏介绍[/h2] 《MYTH - Steam Edition》是Circletempo在2008年8月16日推出的一款长篇同人ADV作品。全篇从头到尾不仅谜团重重，而且视角一直在切换，很容易让人产生混乱，导致游戏非常难读懂。不过，正如游戏标题一样，难解是游戏的主题，同时也是游戏的乐趣之一。 在《MYTH》中，作者采用了双线碎片化的叙事手法，围绕主角田边命人展开叙事的同时间接插入以其他世界展开的故事。小世界之间看似关联性不强，实际上彼此纠缠（透过笔记本系统和人物关系图可以窥见一二），而五个小世界之外（myth世界，阿斯加德世界，胎动篇世界，“最初的”世界，亚空界），三个大世界舞台（架空世界，半现实世界，末日世界）互相嵌套，构成了MYTH的大框架，巧妙的叙事结构下被逐渐推向舞台聚光灯下的剧情和宏大的世界观可以持续带给玩家新鲜感。 [h2] MYTH装置的世界 [/h2] [b]光的世界： [/b]没有影子的世界，命人游戏开始所居住的世界。在这个世界中，命人遇到了梓门，并在梓门引导之下来到了影子村。 [b]影子村： [/b]一周目故事的主要推进舞台，这里的村民们都是黑乎乎的影子，「梓门长大的地方」。 [b]阿斯加德： [/b]管理者——奥丁、瓦尔基里、洛基等等居住的世界。异世界篇瓦尔基里把狂战士带进阿斯加德，并让狂战士除掉田边命人。 [b]半现实： [/b]奥丁通过神（市井谅子）编造的架空世界，田边命人一直想要“回去”的世界，与现实非常相似的世界。 [h2] 感想 [/h2] 先谈优点，myth是一个设定非常复杂，涵盖了五个不同时点世界观的故事，要把这么多世界和角色都层层嵌套的来叙述解谜实在是不容易的事情，非常佩服作者的想象力和构思！这个游戏的受众应该是那些偏好metagame、猎奇电波作、烧脑悬疑以及纯文学作品的人，很多语句非常优美且充满遐想性，值得爱它的人去层层研究和二次创作理解（也就是说它是一个需要游玩者去多次回味并且整理故事线的游戏） 不管怎么说，myth所要表达的中心思想和内容作者是明确点出的…“有限的人，在创造无限的梦想”“你也有梦想吗？”“从256色的梦中醒来吧”…真的很浪漫 但MYTH之所以不对我电波的原因主要因为过度晦涩的语句以及破碎的叙事手法给人完整理解一个故事的过程增加了很多困难，从而大大降低了故事的吸引性和可读性，前期日常的无趣昏昏欲睡，后期突然猎奇loop让人精神一振之后，又很快因为别的世界插入而打断了这份紧张感，把大部分真相一股脑全部塞在最后结尾让人觉得信息爆炸大脑处理过载，第一次打完以后仍然有一种怅然的迷茫感好像不知道到底讲了什么…（事实上在后期叙事的混乱真的令我玩的很痛苦），总的来说是同人社团的佳作吧，尤其是在构思和创意方面很有先驱意义，但剧本方面…真的很难说是一个极具吸引力的故事。

I’ve been burned before about VNs that weebs praise as being mind-blowing or really interesting only for them to turn out to be complete garbage, and for the first few hours I thought this was gonna be the same story. But MYTH pulled off the rare feat of actually turning its weird mind-bending and pseudo-philosophical aspects into an actually decent story. It’s hard to meaningfully describe any of it without significant spoilers, but take my word that MYTH is worth experiencing. ----- MYTH starts with a strange premise. You see the world through the eyes of Meito Tanabe, a high schooler from a world where humans cast off their shadows in order to create a world based on rationality and justice. Everything works like clockwork, seeing the same people, doing the same tasks, and living the same life day after day. Until he notices one person walking down the street that he had never seen before and, even more importantly, she has a shadow. Upon following her, she takes him into the ‘world of shadows’ where nature and community dominate instead of the rational order of the shadowless world. From there, you learn more about the world and its residents until things start to get really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥-y and you learn some…. Interesting facts about what’s actually going on. I have to admit that it's a slow start. While the initial premise was weird enough to grasp my attention, it soon lost me as things dragged on with little of real interest happening. The moment-to-moment reading is a pretty poor experience before things started to get revealed and even afterwards this is far from the most engaging VN I’ve read on a purely literary level. The prose is sometimes messy and sometimes dull, but never outright good. The visuals and music are both mediocre. This is just one of those experiences where it does one thing particularly well and every other aspect is just various degrees of trash. I was convinced not long into the story that I had been burned yet again by the awful taste of weebs recommending stuff to me. But dear god was I wrong. I sincerely wish I could explain the details without spoiling, but I just don’t have the proper words for it. MYTH is easily one of the most interesting things I’ve read. But while it succeeds at much of what it tries to do, it's also a bit of a mess. Some of that is inevitable given what it's trying to accomplish, but even with that consideration it could have done a much better job of explaining itself. I understand the general story, but many of the smaller points are still very muddled in my mind. There are some aspects where I’m not sure whether they’re plot-important or just for thematic reasons, a few points where something seems to be connected but I’m not certain if its real or just me making assumptions, and one or two major plot points where some textual support feels like it’s missing. While this is something I’d normally be able to remedy by listening to other people who have read it or consulting supplementary materials like videos and forums, the English-language discussion about the VN is pretty much non-existent. And that’s not exactly something I can say is a fault of MYTH but it does make me a bit more reserved in praising its qualities since the aspects I enjoyed about it might not be as strong as they initially appear once given more thought. Apart from the writing issues I mentioned already, much of MYTH’s other component parts are quite weak. The characters are fine, but largely exist to drive the story forwards rather than be engaging in their own right. Music and visuals are fine but underwhelming. Everything really hinges on whether the plot revelations near the end of Act 1 are enough to get you hooked because if they aren’t then there’s no chance of the rest of the experience ever paying off. ----- I enjoyed MYTH far more than I was expecting to at first and I’m pretty confident that it will stick around in my mind for a very long time. It has a lot of serious flaws, but the underlying strengths are enough to compensate for them given my own tastes and priorities. I wish I could be more explicit about why its good without revealing anything too early, but I just don’t think it can be done so I have to leave this review far more ambiguous than how I would normally like it. I definitely recommend it overall, but this is one of those cases where I wish it could have been made by a better writer with a bigger budget behind the project because this is something I feel could have been great with some more polish behind it so that the underlying strengths could assert themselves without a bunch of preventable issues tainting the overall experience. But I don’t think that’s ever gonna happen so what’s here is what we get. But just from what we have I still consider it a deeply flawed but still very worthwhile experience.

[h1]献给视觉小说玩家的精神解剖​[/h1] [h2]游戏推荐指数：★★★★★★★★☆☆[/h2] 一部带有许多暴力与猎奇元素的烧脑视觉小说，其采用了​​多重时空和哲理思辨于这款游戏之中。 游戏包括两章本篇，解密篇和一个外传Agun，通关这款游戏大约需要十五小时，整个游戏的风格趋于电波系，一旦对不上推进的过程会令人不知所措 本作品不适合人群：不喜欢深度思考剖析游戏剧情的人和有心脏病或者胆小对血腥场景抵触的玩家 [h3]对剧情简单介绍 [/h3] 在遥远的未来中，世界被光芒包围，所有事物都不存在“影子”，在这个世界中居住着的田边命人在某天看到了异常，他与拥有“影子”的少女邂逅了，受到她和不知何处传来的神秘声音所吸引，他进入了少女居住的世界————影子的世界 游戏具有三个周目，每个周目代表一个新的轮回；通过2002年东京（刑侦线）、2016年东京（邪教案）、MYTH世界（超自然线）的三层嵌套，构建出“表世界-里世界-上位世界”的复杂关系网。通过碎片化叙事方式令游戏中玩家将穿梭于五个相互关联的平行世界，平行世界中交错展开，人物会在平行世界穿梭，视角和身份也随之变化，本作具有许多套娃设定和究极碎片化叙述，最后将游戏剧情串起来差不多可以理解为（涉及剧透）这是一个黑暗版的《楚门的世界》原本世界和剧情已经是既定好的，可作为创造出这个世界的某些导演对这个既定好的剧本有不满意之处，争执下改写剧本出现许多不该出现的残忍剧情，而玩家所扮演的主角命人在这既定好的剧本世界的一次次轮回之中，发现了这些本不该出现的情况，追根溯源之下方知自己所在已经既定好的剧本世界，游戏的最终命人像这一剧本世界妥协了。好像是想要表达存在过就是意义的思想 [h3]恐怖和猎奇程度 [/h3] 其实并不算是多恐怖，在推进剧情中有时会突然出现些稍微有些血腥的图片和屏幕一闪一闪像出问题了的特效。猎奇就确实很猎奇了，包括但不限于把孩子身体上的肉剁下来食用，与身上满是血迹的尸体对话以及拿掉下来的头颅当球踢等等。 [h3]视听表现 [/h3] 视：这是一部2008年上线的游戏，其绘画品质肯定不需要往好里想，而且CG的数量也是特别的少，每一个CG之间的间隔十分的大，人物的立绘动作也有点少，前期的背景感觉还好，但是当你玩到最后的时候发现，背景已经变成了实物背景，所以也导致画风上巨大的偏差。虽绘画质量落伍其表现力却很强，作为一个十几年前的作品，本作充分利用了AVG的各种表述方式，十分超前，且不光体现在文字叙述和画面表达上，甚至每个世界都有一套独立的UI，体验很沉浸式 听：游戏的音乐还是可以的，进入游戏之后，播放剧情时的各种bgm也是十分给力的，所以为这款游戏的气氛做很很好的渲染，可惜的是游戏并无配音，如果有配音的话，会有更好的表现能力和代入感 因为其剧情晦涩难懂且具有恐怖猎奇元素，所以这款游戏算比较小众的，它更适合烧脑科幻剧情爱好者和对电波达人 [quote]欢迎关注『 [url=https://store.steampowered.com/curator/45525570/] 桃你欢心 [/url]』 [b] 桃影扶风评百戏，落墨如歌写人间[/b][/quote]

Really awesome denpa VN to play and then sit with and think about. Its textually dense and confusing like other VNs in the genre but its also not well known or covered by any youtubers or journalists. For me, this meant that after the game ended I couldn't just google and see other peoples interpretations of the game and that was really cool. I was left to sit with the game and think about it and come to my own conclusions on the theming and meaning of everything that happens, which is just something you dont get much these days. Overall a really strong denpage, dripping with strong theming and motifs, and a hidden gem that you can sit on and think about, without having all the themes, and foreshadowing, and meanings explained and critiqued for you.

感觉像是remember11的完全体形式 [spoiler] 开个玩笑，其实内核区别还是很大的 [/spoiler] 相当硬核的悬疑科幻题材avg，以一个奇妙的未知空间为起始舞台，描述其中角色发现身边的异样、探索真相的故事。 总体复杂度不亚于I/O，由于作者的特殊写作方式，很多地方需要反复回头看过去的文字才能想得明白。 虽然游戏有随时回到任意小节的功能，不过还是建议在看不懂的文字处多存档，前期的某些匪夷所思的描写可能要到最后才能理解。 游戏的核心诡计其实几句话就能解释，但是作者用非常巧妙的写法把它隐藏得非常深。 [spoiler] 通关后回头再看整个故事脉络，真的是非常巧妙的设计 [/spoiler] 有许多毒电波、狂气猎奇描写，但个人认为把握得比较合适，也没有猎奇CG出现。 一个缺点是制作组太穷了，只有最后一章有CV而且比较劣质。另外CG质量之低显然也不像是10年代该有的。 好在BGM非常出色。[spoiler] <作られた時間>这首非常传神[/spoiler] 总之很庆幸在我还有时间有耐心思考的时候打完了这款游戏。 对于I/O这类游戏的爱好者而言，本游戏是相当推荐的。 另外毒电波题材爱好者也可以试试，完全放弃思考体验疯狂的文字或许也是种奇妙体验？？

从256色的梦中醒来

[Spoiler-free review] This is a very underrated visual novel. I have to say, I've never read a story with such a narrative complexity before and, upon reading this, I'm left craving more. It's extremely hard to talk about MYTH without spoilers, but what I can say to advertise it, using the references that the person reading this review probably knows, it'll be this: Imagine the feeling of intrigue, mystery, and the amount of plot twists, and theories in Higurashi combined with the complex metanarrative of Umineko. No, even... Imagine if Umineko had at least TWICE as much of narrative planes, and all of them were being told at the same time, intertwining and intersecting. This is mind-blowing! Utterly insane! Most of the time you'd not understand what's going on at all, and would need to step away to process the thoughts and feelings. This visual novel is a mind-screw. BUT! To see this complex story unfold, one has to be patient. A big chunk of the beginning is slice of life and "stalling", which some may find boring. I, personally, enjoyed it. Especially I enjoyed that in perspective, after reaching the ending. I'd say, give it 3-4 hours, and if you'd like the twist that is coming after a certain day in a story (you'll know exactly what I mean after you'll reach that part) — you'll 100% enjoy the rest of the experience. This is how I'd describe MYTH. I've read quite a few novels, and this is the first one to get 10/10 for me. The only issue I have with it (still no spoilers, but I'll talk about my experience about the last half): I just want MORE. I liked the ending, but I feel like answer arc should've been bigger. I crave more of this story. So to speak, the ending felt a little bit rushed, and I feel like everything could've go on for a bit more time. Still, this is 10/10 experience for me and definitely worth reading if you love mind-blowing and complicated stories.

因为担心不喜欢所以先在学习版上花三天打通了。叙事的架构非常的复杂，一口气推下去的话很可能会被作者刻意的叙事技巧所迷惑无法理解游戏的故事全貌，这一点和海猫有所类似，但是myth给出了明确的解答而非只是散开迷雾。表达的理念与I/O有共通之处，看着myth中的角色为了证明自己的存在而斗争实在令人动容。总体来说是值得一推的作品，特点是：悬疑、猎奇、电波、烧脑。优点是节奏比较快，信息量密度很高（有时候可能是缺点）；缺点是制作比较便宜，不过我不怎么在意立绘和cv所以无所谓。

Fantastic game. Very complex story. Some nauseating horror, fun hijinks, engaging characters with it all coming together for a satisfying conclusion. Riri best girl. The patch still works btw, you just have to launch via the .exe, not the Steam launcher (which is why my hours are so low. it is much longer if you want the full story)