Pro Philosopher 2: Governments & Grievances

Great sequel, basically what the original was but better. Love how vibrant all the artwork is now.

I'm terrible at reasoning myself, so this is quite a challenging game for me, but so far I'm having a good time. Looking forward to seeing how far I can get.

I enjoyed this! I wasn't completed sold on the final debate initially but I enjoyed getting to demonstrate what I'd learned over the course of the game. An interesting premise for an Ace Attorney style visual novel that taught me some basic philosophy.

Jeu assez court mais très édifiant intellectuellement !

10/10 game, I absolutely must read Fanon, an amazing way to learn more about political philosophy although Marx explaining the Anarchist position is kind of cursed

How do you release a text-based game without any accessibility options in 2024? The text in this game is frequently inaccessible? Light green text on a tan background? Are you serious? It's a shame because I think I'd really enjoy this game, but the devs obviously don't care to make it playable for low vision gamers.

I really enjoyed the first Pro Philosopher, but I'll admit, the idea of debating Government philosophy seemed daunting. I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that the player-character was similarly wary of the situation. This also helped break the ideas down very neatly and helped me understand them better. For me, one of the most interesting things is how it relates to the real world. There's some lines that you definitely get a sense of which way the developers lean politically, but overall the game does see and acknowledge multiple perspectives. It acknowledges a lot of the fears and critiques of current government systems (primarily American), but it ends with an overall message of how there's potential for things to be better. I also like that it explained a little more about the Jones family and why Ariadne is so passionate about philosophy. In my review of the first game, I said the game was basically Ace Attorney but philosophy instead of law, and I think part of my reasoning is that Socrates and Ariadne felt like generic inserts created because they couldn't use Phoenix and Trucy, Ryunosuke and Susato, or any other "debater and weird-girl sidekick" combo from AA. Fleshing out the family, explaining the situation with mom, and letting Ari take the lead really helped set this game apart from just being an Ace Attorney clone. (That being said, I wouldn't oppose a crossover if this game got that big.) Trying not to get into spoilers, but there is a twist right after the "Tutorial Debate" that makes the game seem a lot more sci-fi than the previous, and it definitely felt like a sharp turn that was kinda jarring. I wasn't sure where it was going, and admittedly you have to just not overthink some of the world-building implications, but I think it ultimately worked to create a solid reason for the characters to end up in this situation. On a technical level, the art style is much cleaner and the animations much smoother. There's still some times that I want to scream at the game that my point is valid and it is just that the way I'm thinking isn't the way the game is thinking (one in particular, I wanted to make my point too early). Because of this, I appreciated that there were also some points where it felt like the game was recognizing I made a valid point, but it wasn't the point that they were looking for or it wasn't a point that worked for the overall plot, so I was nudged toward trying a similar argument on the same line or trying that argument on a different line. It felt like a good reward for thinking things through, even if it wasn't the "right" answer. Overall, great game if you like debating or philosophy ... or if you just want to see Karl Marx say "Nerf the Rich"

TLDR: If you want an a visual novel that makes you ponder about the injustices of the world and it's solutions, buy this game. It will remain in your mind long after you finish it. This game is masterpiece, even better than the first one. I could talk about why or how it plays, or you could go and play the first one which is free and last like 2 hours, then read the rest of this comment. Ok, you played the first one and found out it's a "ace attourney" game about philosopherswhich is actually fun, what is new on this one? Everything is improved, you clarifications and backings bring more statements, you can challenge with difeferent ideas and in general they will respond to you in consequence, even if that is not the "perfect" challenge. Also, the writing is better, very funny with some gaming references. Music is still good, and art is a mixed bag, but other than the main character and some consistencies between poses, almost everything else i far better. Now, we don' play these kind o games to criticize what we usually do in other, what about the ideas? Oh boy, this game should be played by everyone. To try to find the perfect goverment system... it's a challenge, a challenge no one was ever to solve. This game might not solve it either, but it does give you tools, if not to design it, to ponder about so many problems. Also, I do not want to spoil, but the philosophers that appears have very well done characterizations, and the ideas they debate are always fresh, een at modernity. Also, loved the ending. I don't know what to say, I actually have been waiting for this game to be released since I played it in kongregate more than a decade ago. I never though it would be this good. I recommend this to anyone, if not becaue they like these kind of games, to make them a better member of society.

The Pro Philosopher series is an edutainment game series where you debate dead philosophers. While it tackles political topics, it is less interested in providing answers and is more interested in giving the tools that are necessary in critical thought. For every philosopher that you debate, you are put in the reactive role of examining arguments and using their own logic against them by pointing out internal consistencies. This is done repeatedly through 1) asking for clarification, 2) asking the philosophers to back up their claim, 3) asking the relevance (or pointing out irrelevance) of their statement, and lastly, 4) by challenging their statements by pointing out inconsistencies and gaps in their claims. The game is Socratic at its core. It is an approachable and entertaining introduction to philosophy. And is great for encouraging young teens, students, or anyone unfamiliar with philosophy to engage in critical thinking. Those who already know philosophy may still find it a charming, humorous, and refreshing exercise. There may be nitpicks to make, bit it's exploration of the philosopher's thoughts are adequate even if it's not that deep.

如果这个游戏属于九年义务教育必修课的话，我不敢想互联网环境会多么好。 [spoiler]或许这个游戏就是做出来印证最终boss的想法的[/spoiler]